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parents, their friends, their family, that entire community there in kentucky. both families will hold funerals this weekend. bailey's mom said her daughter called her as the attack was happening but all she could hear was chaos and screaming. prosecutors are trying to get the teen-age suspect tried as an adult. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" starts now. >> thanks, brooke. the president trying say, "you're fired." "the lead" starts now. the president on a collision course with special counsel robert mueller as soon as next week, perhaps his attempt to fire mueller reignites burning questions about possible obstruction of justice. is the white house immigration proposal already dead on arrival? it's no surprise democrats are ripping it apart but many clf conservatives are also furious.
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>> u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley is not only denying baseless rumors of a white house affair, she's also talking at length about what is behind them. you'll find out why. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with our politics lead. the special counsel for the russia investigation is talking to the president's team about trying to conduct an interview with president trump soon, one for which the president said he would sit. but now we know president trump has tried to prevent that interview from ever happening by trying to fire robert mueller as special counsel. in june of last year an informed source tells cnn that president trump ordered the firing of the counsel and was only stymied when chief white house counsel don mcgahn threatened to quit if going through with it.
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last summer, chris ruddy of news max said this -- >> i think he's considering perhaps terminating the special counsel. i think he's weighing that option. >> at the time cnn had additional reporting confirming that to be true. and then and since then the white house repeatedly and vociferously off the record, on background, on the record denied it. >> while the president has a right to, he has no intention to do so. >> the president is not discussing firing bob mueller. >> i haven't given it any thought. >> are you considering firing robert mueller? >> no, not at all. >> is there any chance the president will fire robert muler? >> n -- mueller? >> these sources went all the way to switzerland today from
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the "new york times," to t"the washington post" to fox news. but more important, perhaps, than this cascading waterfall of lies is the fact that this is just the latest evidence of p m president trump's desire and actions to end the russian probes. last year president trump kicked off his reliationship with his own fbi director by asking james comey for his loyalty, a request made just days after being interviewed and michael flynn lied to them about his contacts with russia. that lie was something mcgahn told president trump about that month. and president trump later tested that loyalty request by urging
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comey to drop the fbi appropriation into flynn, whom he had just fired and ultimately the president, as we know, fired comey. we also know the president leaned on his attorney general, jeff sessions, to not recuse himself from supervising the russia probe. then after the recusal contemplated firing sessions. the president has also contemplated firing deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who oversees the appropriatipro. on top of it all, all that we know now, president trump ordered that mueller be fired as well. now, whether or not this all constitutes obstruction of justice or attempted obstruction of justice, that will be up to robert mueller and the congress, maybe even a judge. what is clearer is the political
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fact that president trump has already had his months-long version of president richard nixon's saturday night massacre when nixon ordered attorney general elliott richardson to fire independent special prosecutor archibald cox. richardson refused, leading to richardson's resignation and that of deputy attorney general williams ruckelshouse. and trump has already fired comey but unlike with nixon, mcgahn's pushback worked. still, we're all just sitting around and waiting to see how far president trump is willing to push this and how much his advisers and republicans in congress are willing to put up with. my panel of experts is here with me to talk about it all. so, laura, does the president ordering the fire of special counsel robert mueller constitute obstruction of justice or attempted obstruction of justice if it was not carried
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out? >> yes, it could certainly do that. this is a crime that you can use if it's based on an endeavor. if you attempt to do it, that can still constitute obstruction. you need not accomplish it. remember he did fire comey. if the reason was to obstruct justice, that could be the accomplishment. but if you endeavor to do so, that could also constitute obstruction. again, this is not the end game for robert mueller. he does not want to focus exclusively on whether you obstructed justice but what it is you were trying to find out. that's not been fully panned out. >> so, phil, i want you to listen to the three reasons why president trump at the time was thinking of firing mueller, thinking that he had a conflict of interest. this is according to the "new york times" reporting. first, a dispute over fees at
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trump national golf club in virginia that caused mule ter end his membership there, two, that mueller worked for the law firm that represented jared kushner and what do you think about that reasoning and those potential conflicts of interest? >> i don't think those fly. there is only one issue to focus on here, jakijake, and that is issue of intent. he never fired anybody. in these investigations, it's very difficult to figure out what somebody thinks. for example, i go back to terrorism investigations, which is what i worried about. we would have subjects say i would researching al qaeda online and communicating in code with an al qaeda recruiter because i wanted to learn about them. they're in the news, i'm in college, i want to learn. then you have an informant next to him that said he told me he
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wanted to join al qaeda. in this case the issue of intent is equally critical. president trump can say i fired comey because i didn't think the fbi was led properly, i think morale was bad. you cannot say i considered firing robert mueller because i was worried about the fbi and morale. there's only one intent you can fire for and that's to stop the investigation. >> and neal -- oh, he went out again. we'll come back to neal. let's focus on the larger context of all of this. let me tick through this. you talked about comey. president trump has pressured the intelligence chiefs to say there was no collusion publicly to clear him. he's ordered that sessions not recuse himself from the russian investigation, he's fired comey, tried to fire special counsel mueller. does that add up to a pattern? >> it does. here's the thing. the idea of intent is so
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critical and why the interview between himself and mueller's team would be so critical. all of these reasons given could be pretextural reasons for why he wanted to do it. it's like throwing spaghetti on the wall here. if you can look at the person and figure out what your true intent was, all this does add up to that. you can build a case on the contextual clues. you need not have the actual statement that says i intended to do this in a nefarious way. that is not the only way to be success in an obstruction of justice case. it helpful. it's probably why there's a negotiation with his attorneys about what he's going to say and not going to say but it does not fully immunize him if he doesn't make that embasxplicit statemen. >> he does have the fire to fire the special counsel.
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he can tell the person in charge at the justice department. why would this be obstruction of justice if he has that power? >> if you look at what's happening so far, if you look at his power to fire the special counsel, i don't think it's just about obstruction of justice. i mean, if you look at the pattern of activity, that's one issue you got to focus on. if i'm his lawyers and i'm not a lawyer but i watch these investigations for years, the second thing i'm worried about is lying to a federal law. the president has said within the past 24 hours, i didn't do this. he's not just talking about what his special counsel did. did his special counsel offer to resign or not in the face of the request to fire mueller. his lawyers have been interviewed and the people around his lawyers. the special counsel has looked at e-mail. when you go into the interview with the president, it not just about whether he obstructed justice, the bottom luine is you're going to say is there ever a discussion about firing the special counsel and i fear
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the president will say this is easy, the answer is no. >> plenty of people in the administration -- >> he might have e-mails -- >> mueller clearly already knows about the story that broke last night. >> correct, correct. this is why the lawyers don't want the president going in with an open-ended conversation to the special counsel. it's not about he said/she said. it's about the president versus don mcgahn, whoever else he told, what e-mail don mcgahn sent, what text messages there are. there's a pattern of activity about the removal of special counsel i guarantee you mueller has seen and the president risks walking into a trap if he just says this never happened. >> there's proof that this is not a case simply about obstruction of justice, there are four words, paul manafort and rick gates. >> those charges aren't even about trump. >> the idea that mueller's entire probe is centered around one end point being about obstruction is absurd.
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bill clinton sat for four hours. do we think that donald trump has the wherewithal to be able to withstand four hours, 40 minutes with mueller and his team to be able to do all these things, withstand all these seasoned investigators asking questions point blank? it's a very impossible feat. >> and president clinton, one of the articles of impeachment was perjury and another one of the four was suborning perjury. we have a lot more to discuss on the president ordering the firing of robert mueller. what might this mean for the investigation? the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee, park warner, will be here next. stick around. you book at hiltom ark warner, will be here next.
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story. cnn has confirmed that president trump ordered special counsel
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robert mueller fired back in june but he backed off after his white house counsel threatened to resign if he wasn't through with it. joining me is the top democrat on the intelligence committee. i want to get your reaction to the news that president trump ordered the firing of special counsel robert mueller. he only backed off after the white house counsel, don mcgahn, refused to carry out the order and threatened to resign. >> pretty remarkable. i've been on your show a number of times where i say i don't think i could be surprised anymore but this president continues to shock and surprise. i went to the senate floor. i worried about this in mid-december and gave a speech saying firing or pardoning someone who has been indicted should be a red lien that shouldn't be crossed. his own lawyer said the same, it would create chaos. if the president had kbgone through with this or tries to go
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through with this ongoing, we're in the fundamentals of our democracy. are we going to be a country where the rule of law prevads? will the congress take up bipartisan legislation that was around last year that will protect the special prosecutor from these kind of arbitrary actions? >> supporters of the president say even if he did want mueller fired, even if he said that mueller should be fired, it never actually happened. mcgahn never actually carried it out so this cannot qualify as obstruction of justice and, therefore, is not all that significant. how do you respond? >> well, i respond, first of all, i've tried to give the president the benefit of the doubt but, boy, you've got a pattern here. you got a pattern that he wanted james comey to back off the investigation of general flynn. when he didn't, he fired him. you got a pattern where he got
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mad at the attorney general for recusing himself and ended up pressuring the attorney general to try to fire another senior fbi official andrew mccabe. and you have a pattern where the president's allies have been going out with outrageous claims in the last few weeks trying to basically undermine the overall image of the fbi and the department of justice. now you've got this evidence coming out that the president at least wanted and intended to fire bob mueller himself. these are not the actions of an individual who doesn't have something to hide. the president keeps saying there's no there there. well, there's no there there, let these investigations, including our bipartisan senate intelligence investigation fi finish our job. >> have you uncovered anything in the senate intelligence committee that would lead you to conclude that there is there there? >> i've reserved final judgment until we see all of the
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witnesses and get all the facts. but we have seen enormously important documents, new documents in the last 60 days and you see particularly the president's supporters going out, making these, you know, outrageous and on some level silly charges with secret memos and secret societies being asertd and then people having to back off. we are getting into uncharted territory. while i want to try to give the president the benefit of the doubt, his actions and his allies' actions really undermine any remaining credibility they may have. >> so you're a co-equal branch of the government, the house and senate. there has been legislation, you referred to it, that would protect the special counsel. it has not passed. republicans have said there's been no need for it. have you heard any comments from republicans, who obviously control the senate, suggesting
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that they are now willing to go forward with it? >> well, i've not had a lot of conversation today. most of the senators are out of town today, but i would be hard pressed to try to go on any show and explain why you wouldn't want to pass that legislation if you actually respect rule of law. i mean, we're approaching a time where i think we got to take off our democrat and republican credentials and realize that our oath of office was to the constitution. and quite honestly, history is going to judge how all of us act at this moment. and my hope is that we would take up this bipartisan legislation. if they've got improvements on it, let's have at it. but at the end of the day, special prosecutor mueller has got to finish his job, our bipartisan committee, the senate intelligence committee has to finish its job because the american public deserves to know what happened in 2016. >> democratic senator mark warner of virginia, thank you so much, sir. appreciate your time.
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>> thank you, jake. >> so who is the chief white house counsel to stopped president trump to firing robert mueller? a closer look at don mcgahn's role in the oval office with our panel. stay with us. 75 million of us suffer from the gritty and frustrating symptoms of dry eye. we need theratears®. theratears® is more than just eye drops. it's eye therapy. dry eye symptoms are caused by a salt imbalance. theratears® unique electrolyte formula, quickly restores the natural balance. so your eyes will thank you. more than eye drops, dry eye therapy. theratears®. i thought i was managing my moderate to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing...
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one moneyan prevented presi trump from firing special counsel robert mueller, don mcgahn. he also played roles in national security adviser michael flynn's dismissal and james comey's firing. notice a theme here? cnn reports on who mcgahn is and why some today are questioning his motives. >> reporter: some are hailing white house counsel as a hero in the wake of the report he stood up to president trump and beat down an attempt to fire special counsel robert mueller, the man leading the investigation trump
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find so infuriating. >> russia is fake news. this is fake news put out by the media. >> reporter: others, however, are not so sure. the former director of the office of government ethics tweeting, "i bet mcgahn's objection was not that firing mueller was wrong but that it was dangerous. also this is not the first leak to paint mcgahn in a good light at trump's expense. if i were trump, i'd wonder about mcgahn." but if the president has doubts about his tom legal man, they're not showing. a trump ally for several years, mcgahn has been by his side throughout the russia probe, at times to the consternation of investigators. when the department of justice first raised red flags that security adviser michael flynn was lying to white house officials about his russia contacts -- >> one of the questions that mr. mcgahn asked me was essentially why does it matter
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to d.o.j. if one white house official lies to another white house official. >> when the president fired fbi director james comey, mcgahn reportedly pushed trump to make sure he cited concerns about comey's competence, backed up by other government officials. >> he's a showboat, a grandstander. >> reporter: an statement to make it appear it was not just about the fbi's russia probe, which comey led. >> the russians interfered in our election. >> and when the president wanted tong jeff sessi attorney general jeff sessions to hold the reins of the investigation and not recuse himself -- >> frankly, it's very unfair to the president. >> whom did he send to change sessions' mind? he failed but again it was don mcgahn. important to note, mcgahn himself, along with more than a half dozen members of his white house legal team, have reportedly been questioned as part of the russia investigation.
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jake? >> my political panel joins me now. thank you so much to tom foreman. mcgahn has obviously been a hatchet man in some instances in this administration, not that that's not the job, it is, but he's carried out some tough things for the president. but here he is standing up to the president. what do you make the observation that, you no, this might be leaked out of self-interest, to get his own reputation out there, that he's trying to do the right thing amidst these capricious winds? >> i think thank goodness for don mcgahn. the story paints him in a good light but he's doing what a good attorney will do, which is prevent you from doing certainly that's going to get you into more trouble. it sounds like in the series of things he's done, he's trying to prevent donald trump from winding up in hotter water than he's already gotten himself in. certainly the story does make don mcgahn look good but i think
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justifiably so. and it been a long time since june. it possible that the first time around the president attempted to want to fire mueller at the time, the groundwork had not been laid to make it a pl politically paletable thing to do. this is an attempt to get the president to see the gravity of his situation, politically and publicly. >> do you think if he fired mueller there would be that much of a repercussion? do you think people on capitol hill would do anything? do you think republicans would appoint mueller as a special counsel empanelled by the congress? is there really that much of a risk? >> i think if president trump had fired mueller, if he had gone through with that initial desire to do so, yes, there would be chaos and there would be a lot of political backlash. as you were saying, i think don
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mcgahn, it would be understandable if he felt look i want this out there, this narrative out there that i was the person who stopped him from doing something so reckless. as we have these conversations about this new reporting, it's new reporting for us but i don't believe that it's new for mueller, who probably has known this maybe for a while. i think that the question of whether the president obstructed justice, we're just not going to know the answer to that until this investigation is over but i do think what we do know for sure is that there is a sliding scale. on one end it is less likely that muleler come to the conclusion that the president obstructed justice and on the other end of the scale, it is more likely he comes to that conclusion. i think there is no question the president's desire and ordering someone close to him to fire mueller skews the scale in one direction. >> one thing we haven't talked about much since the top of the
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show is the waterfall cascading of lies. it is unbelievable how often the white house has denied what we now know to be true, that the president has not only contemplated but tried to act on it. do you this all these aides didn't know or just lied? >> i think they just lied. i think it's surprising they lied for so long. this story came out, apparently it happened seven months ago, june, a month after robert mueller, special prosecutor, was hired. i think the buck stops with the president of the united states. clearly donald trump is not acting like an innocent person. he is abusing his power nearly every day. you had the question about what will be the political backlash. i looked this. before i got here, for move on we put out like a pledge for people to come out in case mueller gets fired, will you take the streets and we have 884,000 people who have signed up to do about 733 political
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a lot of people in the president's base are very mad at this proposal. >> a lot of folks who have prominent platforms, sell a lot of books, go on radio shows. take someone like steve bannon, for instance, who would clash with the president over stuff like this. in the end donald trump wins in those kinds of clashes. trump's base is trump's base. if he comes out and says an immigration deal is good, i like it, it's good for america, i think a lot of these pundits on the far right who oppose this deal underestimate the, tent over which their elevation and support of trump over the last few years has created this monster that owns their base far more than they do. >> a lot of democrats are mad about this bill, including a lot of d.r.e.a.m.er groups and immigration progressives. >> what this outline of this immigration plan does is it holds d.r.e.a.m.ers hostage in order for donald trump to push his hardline stance on
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immigration. it cuts the legal part of immigration by 50%. this is incredibly dangerous. we already know where donald trump stands on immigration. he made that very clear two weeks ago. >> we do? he seems all over the map. >> two weeks ago when it was reported he said those all awful things about the african nations and people from haiti. that was off the record in a room when nobody was around when he said those thienngs. in this plan, it's just been articulat articulated. >> if the far right is mad, does that mean there's room to make it pass? >> maybe when you come to the negotiating table and everyone is unhappy, that is a sign that there's something -- a potential for a deal. i will say you were saying we do know where the president stands on immigration. i'm not really sure where he stands.
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up think ba you think back to that meeting where he met with lawmakers at the white house -- >> the one on camera. >> yes, the one on camera. he was willing to be persuade and this came out on the eve of president trump traveling overseas. i'm sorry but i'm not willing to call this the trump immigration plan until we physically see him owning this, lobbying members and saying this is exactly what i want. >> but you're talking about the trump meeting with lawmakers that was off camera. >> that was off camera, nobody was watching and we heard what he said. >> stick around, we have a lot more to talk about. he's a friend of president trump's, the finance chair of the republican national committee and now the washington journal reports sexual misconduct claims against him. people would stare.
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at every point in my life i've noticed that if you speak your mind and you're strong about it and you say what you believe, there is a small percentage of people that resent that, and the way they deal with it is to try and throw arrows, lies or not, to diminish you. >> that was u.n. ambassador nikki haley responding to completely unfounded rumors she's having an affair with the president. the speculation started after michael wolff, author of "fire and fury" after he teased a section of the book people did not pick up on. >> was it a woman thing? >> i did not have the blue dress. you have to read between the lines. >> it led some, many, to jump to
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the conclusion with zero evidence that ambassador haley was romantically involved with the president, which she strongly denies and there is zero -- zero evidence. >> it is absolutely not true, it is highly offensive and it disgust persian gulf. >> i-- disgusting. >> wolff seems to be doing this to boost sales. he admits he didn't have enough evidence to put this in the book but he's saying he heard it. >> it's disgusting. there have been enough other things written in the book that have been shodily sourced or untrue. and then to say go find out who in the trump administration is trying to sleep their way to the top. it disgusts me. even though nikki haley is a
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conservative, a republican and part of the trump administration, that people will come out and defend this disgusting episode. >> she said she's coming out and talking about it to blaze a trail for other women in the future so they don't have to face this. it really is bizarre. to be completely candid, i had never even heard this rumor until she came out and denied it. i wonder if there's a risk in doing it this way. >> first of all, i agree with you that it's totally disgusted. the fact that this author/journalist was saying he's absolutely sure this was happen being but not enough to put it in the book but goes on national television, talks about it and sort of goads the audience to look for the person he is suggesting that, i think all of that is terrible. it's hurtful and awful for two
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kind of women. one is the kind of woman that nikki haley is. she's in this position because she worked hard and climbed her way um and whatevp and whatever through her political career pand now she's having to address these terrible rumors based on nothing. and now like the reporter from the politico, she got this great get and she's having to spend her time asking her this question, asking nikki haley this question because it was brought up and you kind of can't ignore it. >> i want to ask you about one slightly different topic, which is the wall street journal reporting serious allegations of sexual misconduct against steve wynn and he's the finance chair of the republican national committee. you remember them push dnc to return the harvey weinstein money. they have a problem now with
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that same standard. >> they should follow the standard they set. he should resign and they should give back the money that he gave. i think it's really awful. this is sexual harassment, sexual assault, should not be allowed anywhere in the workplace in society period. >> and you would agree, i'm sure, that this shouldn't be a partisan issue. it used as a partisan issue all the time but somebody is accused of this credibly, "the wall street journal" story is incredibly sourced and detailed. you who can steve wynn be on the finance committee right now? >> i think this is something that needs to come to a close pretty quickly. this is a well-sourced with many credible looking accusations. i think the rnc needs to figure this out and fast, especially given how vocal they were and rightly so about the harvey weinstein issue. >> thank you for being here.
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president trump said he doesn't want immigrants from haiti coming to this country so what do haitians have to say about that to president trump? conan o'brien took his show live to find out. >> hey, jake. >> coming up after this. up my . i had a coach. math. ooh. so, why don't traders have coaches? who says they don't? coach mcadoo! you know, at td ameritrade, we offer free access to coaches and a full education curriculum -- just to help you improve your skills. boom! that's lesson one. education to take your trading to the next level. only with td ameritrade.
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utilizing pg&e's talent and expertise in that area trains our firefighters on the gas or electric aspect of a fire and when we have an emergency situation we are going to be much more skilled and prepared to mitigate that emergency for all concerned. the things we do every single day that puts ourselves in harm's way, and to have a partner that is so skilled at what they do is indispensable, and i couldn't ask for a better partner. a little politics in our pop culture lead today when president trump called african countries s-holes and said he did not want people from haiti immigrating from the u.s. it sparked outrage from many late night talk show hosts, can
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youing co-- including conan o'brien. >> thanks for having me, jake. >> let's take a quick listen. you let haitians jab back at president trump. >> but more seriously, how did you find haitians reacting to the president's comments in. >> it's interesting, i encountered the same thing i encountered when we took our show to mexico city last year, which is they are human beings, they get their feelings hurt. when you go there and you meet the people, you find out that, yeah, they're sensitive. and when they hear comments like that, they're upset by them.
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the haitians are a very strong people with a lot of dignity, and they have a lot of resilience obviously. so they bounce back. but you could sense that they wanted to talk. they wanted to tell -- they wanted to react and they wanted a forum, and they wanted to be able to show there's a lot of positive things about haiti that never get much media attention. so we gave them a chance to do that. >> and they also seemed they wanted to talk about and education the american people as to part of the reason why haiti isn't the best haiti it could be because of a century worth of colonization and exploitation by france and then the united states. >> yes. haiti, as we say in the special, has been dealt one of the words hands in the western hemisphere. it's a beautiful country and it is a country that has an amazing people. they have an incredible -- i mean, they're artists, they have a great sense of humor, they have incredible talent and their
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country has been exploited. wroo we've done a lot of damage to haiti. and so have the other countries that colonized them. and they've been robbed of a lot of their riches. so i spoke to children in haiti who said, oh, you're from the united states, you're here to take stuff from us. i had to assure them that, no, i'm not going to do that and that maybe more americans are going to be willing to give some stuff back to haiti and help out a little bit. >> you've done eight of these international adventure shows in three years in places such as cuba, israel. tell us what might be different about this episode given the current political climate. >> this is the fastest episode we've turned around. usually we have a little more time to plan these episodes. the the president's comments came out on a thursday night. i decided on a saturday let's go to haiti. sunday we announced it and then we left on wednesday and we were
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back the following sunday and we turned this around in just a few days. so this is the fastest we've ever done a show. so that's very quick. the other thing that makes haiti very different from a lot of the places i've been is there a lot of countries that have problems and in our last special when i was in the middle east, i looked into the syrian border and they have so many intractable problems in syria, countries that are torn apart. what's incredible about haiti is the problems seem fixable. i think there's a lot of -- they need some infrastructure, they need some help and they insist they can do it on their own but, you know, you look at haiti and you think this country could be very different in 20 years because the people are there, the natural resources are there, the beauty is there. this -- haiti can be much better off very quickly, i believe. >> people ask me all the time what's the biggest challenge being a journalist in the age of trump. what's the biggest challenge
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being a comedian in the age of trump? >> comedians usually in a normal era are supposed to take these serious situations and find the comedy in them and stretch them a little bit. in the trump area we're essentially dealing with -- i mean, every day there is such a mother lode of, i don't know how else to say it, surreal news, it's very hard to find a joke that's more absurd than what's actually happening. it's really hard to take what's happening right now and make it somehow more absurd than it really is. so it's a challenge for comics. people think it's easy but it's actually a little more difficult i think right now. >> the president works broad. he does a lot of broad work. >> he works blue, he works broad and just trying to keep up with him. i mean, that's the other thing is for any other president, the s-hole comment would have
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resonated for a couple of weeks. he's on a two-day cycle. it's very hard to keep up with him. it's exhausting. >> conan o'brien, thank you so much. "conan without borders: haiti" will premiere this saturday. tune in after "state of the union" sunday at 9 a.m. that's it for now. see you on sunday. i turn it over to wolf blitzer in the sit room. >> firestorm. members of congress are issuing warnings and making a new push for legislation to protect robert mueller. >> growing evidence. experts say the attempt to fire mueller following the fire of fbi chief james comey is growing evidence for case of obs